tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23800220.post3605480026117364423..comments2023-10-27T14:44:07.700-04:00Comments on sevesteen.com: Ubuntu vs Windows installSevesteenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15439626386416115766noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23800220.post-2471324983869349292009-03-24T07:32:00.000-04:002009-03-24T07:32:00.000-04:00Yum seems to be slower and clumsier than the apt l...<I>Yum seems to be slower and clumsier than the apt line of tools;</I><BR/><BR/>I've not found it to be so.<BR/><BR/><I>i'm getting the feeling that much of what apt does natively had to be bolted onto rpm as an afterthought.</I><BR/><BR/>Debian did indeed have a workable system for installation and dependency management long before Red Hat introduced <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_dog_Updater,_Modified" REL="nofollow">Yum</A>. Updating Red Hat systems used to be horrible before that.knirirrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204415918424861357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23800220.post-83224728479148660552009-03-23T15:50:00.000-04:002009-03-23T15:50:00.000-04:00in fairness, Yum seems to be slower and clumsier t...in fairness, Yum seems to be slower and clumsier than the apt line of tools; i'm getting the feeling that much of what apt does natively had to be bolted onto rpm as an afterthought.<BR/><BR/>then again, in my own defense, rpm seems to be comparatively easier to learn; apt packages and repositories, not to mention all the countless more and less redundant tools to interact with same, seem like a snake's nest in comparison.<BR/><BR/>this matters when you want to seriously administer a network of several servers in a corporate setting. i'm routinely building new, custom-designed RPMs for installation on my own network, tweaking existing packages with my own patches, and run a mirror of the Fedora updates repository for the version i focus on. this saves great time and effort in my sysadmin duties, and wasn't all that hard to learn (back when i learnt it, years ago).<BR/><BR/>i'm sure the equivalent duties could be done with apt as well, and possibly done even better, but the learning curve seems much steeper than it was with rpm.<BR/><BR/>if i were starting out afresh, i'd tell myself with the lessons of hindsight to learn Debian/apt instead. but i'm not, and nor are the database and web servers on my network.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23800220.post-42119877976029721062009-03-23T15:25:00.000-04:002009-03-23T15:25:00.000-04:00My understanding is that Apt does a better job wit...<I>My understanding is that Apt does a better job with dependancies, and I'm not sure what the advantage of RPM is supposed to be, other than the Red Had standard.</I><BR/><BR/>Yum, the package manager used by Fedora, is very similar in use and capabilities to the apt tools used by Debian, although Debian fans (most university IT staff I know) disdain it. I've never much liked Debian's system, finding apt and especially dpkg to be a pain to use. It's really just a matter of personal preference, though.knirirrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204415918424861357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23800220.post-90539442219136124712009-03-22T00:04:00.000-04:002009-03-22T00:04:00.000-04:00Agreed, 100%.We have a new Asus netbook, and #1 So...Agreed, 100%.<BR/><BR/>We have a new Asus netbook, and #1 Son has been installing different distros (he's 16). He wanted it dual boot, but eventually gave up as it was too hard to set up XP so that it ran decently.<BR/><BR/>He's tried 3 (or is it 4?) Linux distros in the same time.<BR/><BR/>It's astonishing how easy it is to get up and running with Linux these days.<BR/><BR/>BTW, we really like eeeBuntu - the UI is very nicely optimized for the small screen. I'm looking forward to blogging from it on the next vacation.Borepatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23800220.post-47364018883620509062009-03-21T21:56:00.000-04:002009-03-21T21:56:00.000-04:00I've used both APT and RPM, but never on distros f...I've used both APT and RPM, but never on distros from the same year. My understanding is that Apt does a better job with dependancies, and I'm not sure what the advantage of RPM is supposed to be, other than the Red Had standard. <BR/><BR/>I don't run a server, so I'm more interested in desktop performance.Sevesteenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439626386416115766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23800220.post-40668790212096246522009-03-21T21:04:00.000-04:002009-03-21T21:04:00.000-04:00i've tried Gentoo, but only very superficially. it...i've tried Gentoo, but only very superficially. it's extremely different from Fedora, which is the other major server OS in my small-ish company, and different enough that i don't see sufficient advantage to keeping it; i'll be phasing it out as soon as reasonably possible in favor of whatever Fedora is stable enough at the time.<BR/><BR/>Ubuntu server is acceptable, if only because i have Ubuntu desktop experience at home. i'm still not nearly as familiar with APT as i am with RPM, which does have an impact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23800220.post-81885854359386498932009-03-21T14:48:00.000-04:002009-03-21T14:48:00.000-04:00I'm too cheap for Mac, and I haven't tried Gentoo-...I'm too cheap for Mac, and I haven't tried Gentoo-Ubuntu was considerably better than Mandriva when I switched, and is good enough that I'm not compelled to try a different distro.Sevesteenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439626386416115766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23800220.post-9946054593206005072009-03-21T06:38:00.000-04:002009-03-21T06:38:00.000-04:00Oxford University's atmospheric physics department...Oxford University's atmospheric physics department has been moving over to a centrally-controlled system of Ubuntu desktops, and it does indeed work rather well.<BR/><BR/>For my own use I'd rather have a Mac on the desktop and Gentoo on my servers, but the Ubuntu solution would be fine if I couldn't do that.knirirrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204415918424861357noreply@blogger.com